Episode 3 Drowning Prevention: K & K Swim School

In this third episode of our drowning prevention series, we

speak with Kaylee Kennedy from the K & K Swim School. Operating on Saskatchewan and Alberta, Kaylee will bring us her message on drowning prevention and give us a little glimpse into what she does and give us a little insight into the swim school itself.

[00:00:00] Jason:[00:00:00] Welcome to our third episode in our drowning preventionseries and these followup episodes, we're featuring some schools andstakeholders and bring their message to you about the importance of watersafety this summer. Today, we have the opportunity to speak with Kaylee Kennedyfrom McCain case from school K and K offers a whole host of services, thelessons and the services that they provide are back with the passion and theircommitment to water safety.

[00:00:23] This morning, we're going toget, Kaylee's taken all that, and she's going to impress upon us the importanceand what to pay attention to and as well, give us some insight into her school.Welcome Kaylee. All right. Good morning, Kaylee. Okay, so you're coming to usfrom Montreal, correct? Yes.

[00:00:43] Kaylee:[00:00:43] That's where I live.

[00:00:44] Jason:[00:00:44] It sounds good. So, um, one, when we started the launch,this drowning prevention series, I had an idea and I wanted to talk to theprofessionals and those steep in the industry and either debunk or validate.[00:01:00] My idea. And my idea was simple. It was that because of folks likeyou, who do such a good job every day, in terms of promoting swimming, thelessons and ideas around drowning prevention, the people that need to be makingdecisions in terms of what should be essential, what people need to be paying,pay attention to.

[00:01:18] They're not doing that. We takewater safety for granted. So my opening question to you is, um, in however youwant to answer it, As a country, as a society, do we take these things forgranted because of the fact that you guys do such a good job with this, andit's not being paid attention to by the people that are making key decisions.

[00:01:40] Kaylee:[00:01:40] Yeah. I feel I take advantage of it. And it's funny. Ionly realize, I mean, I always knew the water safety was really important. Ialways vouch for it. Um, I mean, I have two kids of my own that I always madesure knew how to swim before this pandemic hit. And then as soon as thepandemic hit. I live in Montreal.

[00:01:59] So [00:02:00] Quebec has very,very strict restrictions all the way. Since October of last year, a lot of ourbusinesses have been closed, especially the pools and our swimming lessons herein Quebec. Um, and I, before the pandemic hit, I would go swimming with my kidsonce a week. It would be just a weekend activity and I loved.

[00:02:18] Spending my time with mychildren in, in, in the water. Um, and I feel like I took that time forgranted. I'm very knowledgeable when it comes to swimming. And I feel like evenwith all the knowledge and everything that I have over the last year, that mychildren have barely touched water, I feel like I've done a disservice even tothem.

[00:02:38] Um, because they are my ultimatepriority being a mother. And I, when we went, we. Went to Ottawa. Um, beforeOntario started to experience all these closings and we just needed to get awayfor a couple of days. And we used the pool at the hotel. And as soon as mydaughter jumped into the water, she automatically panicked.

[00:02:58] She had goggles on everything.[00:03:00] I was right in front of her and she automatically panicked and shecouldn't put her face into the water. And that's the moment where I felt like Ifailed as a parent. And. Such a shame because it's not my fault, but I feltlike everything that I, that led up to that moment was my fault because Ididn't find a problem solving solution to help my children make sure thatthey're safe or safe around water.

[00:03:20] So we spent. The next 45minutes, which was the time slot that we could get in that full weekend that wewent to the hotel for. We got 45 minutes that we consume with our kids. Um, andI tried my best to make sure that she understood how to swim again. And it wasreally frustrating and it was difficult for myself as a parent.

[00:03:37] And so. It's so funny. How,okay. Well, we fought really hard to make sure that our operations, I own aswim school in Western Canada, so Saskatchewan and Alberta, and they stayedopen, um, for the majority of the pandemic. So we fought really hard to makesure that our operations were running out there. Um, But I got to see firsthandhow badly the pandemic can be in [00:04:00] areas where there are really strictrestrictions.

[00:04:02] Um, and now that you know, ourpools just closed in Alberta for the third time, it's, uh, I mean, it's scary,but the thing is, is that, uh, I feel like a lot of families are recognizinghow important water safety actually is the amount of, uh, families that havehad that have expressed extreme interest in joining our, our, our program anddesperation crying on the other end of the phone because they can't get in becauseall of our times lots are, are oversaturated and booked.

[00:04:32] I mean, I want to make sure thatI can do everything that I can so that families can be able to enroll intoswimming classes and give their children everything that they need. But thosefamilies are. They are experiencing the same desperation that I felt when mydaughter jumped into the pool and I am, I know what I'm doing.

[00:04:48] So it's just, it's the irony isit's, it's a shame, everything that's happening right now. And I think thatparents and swim schools and businesses alike are just trying to do everythingthey can to just stay [00:05:00] afloat, because we're going to be ready toabsorb. Everything that we like all of the, I don't want to say PTSD, but allof the experiences and the feelings that we had coming through and goingthrough this pandemic, we're going to have to experience it after the fact.

[00:05:15] And I think that that's, what'sthe scariest thing. It's, it's not so much about right now, but it's about in ayear from now where my daughter could have been. If we continue to swim wherewe could have been a year from now versus where we're going to be, that's goingto be the hard thing for me to have to come to terms with.

[00:05:29] So. It's funny. I don't know. I'm,I'm a bit confused about that question because I, my priorities and my valuesare always, they stayed the same prior to the pandemic to now, but the way thatI'm problem solving and trying to view the outcome in this situation is, is sodifferent than what I thought I would be experiencing a year ago to today.

[00:05:51] If that makes any sense.

[00:05:53] Jason:[00:05:53] Totally does. And I appreciate you sharing. I mean, youshared a moment of vulnerability there, so I appreciate your sharing that. Andat the end of the [00:06:00] day, I mean like the, the thesis was, you know,was just, we take swimming and we take water safety for granted. Right. Andwhat, we're, what I'm seeing, because I mean, obviously on the other side, likewe, we supply folks like you guys, like we were we're in the same chain as swimschools in terms of, you know, like helping to provide something that somebodyneeds to go enjoy the pool and so on and so forth.

[00:06:25] Um, And, you know, at the end ofthe day, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's easy, it's easy to be frustrated andsay, look, you know, you can open up all these things, but swimming, which is alife saving activity. We're going to ignore that and not pay attention to it.So I appreciate you. You did answer my question.

[00:06:46] So I appreciate you doing thatand sharing your answer. And, and I do, I want to share an experience with you.Um, because we were very fortunate. Our twin daughters who are three, justturned four, uh we're in, we're [00:07:00] enrolled in King K some lessons lastfall. And I happened to be at the pool during their lessons.

[00:07:06] And I was helping one of, um,uh, one of my daughters, you know, get in the pool or whatever. I think I wasactually taking a picture of her in the pool. Right. And our other ratherdaughter was not like not doing anything unsafe. She stepped on a, in a puddleslipped and went right in the pool. Right. And the only reason we saw her wasbecause the swimming lesson and the skill she had learned in the lessons,brought her back up to the surface and taught her what she knew, what to do.

[00:07:35] Right. And like I'm eternallygrateful. Cause I remember how scared I felt in that moment when, because wedidn't hear it. Like it was silent, her going into the pool. Right. So that's abig, thank you to you guys. And also I hope to illustrate the importance of theswimming lessons. 

So, well,[00:07:54] Kaylee:[00:07:54] I think the biggest thing too, is that like we nothing'sopen right now.

[00:07:58] So parents aren't going to the[00:08:00] pool. They're not, they're not playing with their kids around waterand when you're not at. Exposed to the element. It can be very dangerousbecause parents, Oh, well, if I just don't bring my kids near water, then it'sokay. They won't drown, but that's not the fact that, like I said, it's thefact is a year from now.

[00:08:15] When those kids start goingaround the water we're even this summer in a month and a half from now, oncebeaches started opening up and. Parents have more access to water and children,more, more access to water. That's when it's going to start to becomedetrimental and scary for parents. And that level of vulnerability is somethingthat I don't want parents to have to experience, or if they're going toexperience it, they see a light at the end of the tunnel, instead of havingsomething drastic happen.

[00:08:39] For sure.

[00:08:40] Jason:[00:08:40] Absolutely. So let's talk about gang case. So we'll gointo a little bit of where it all began. So this started out of a hotel pool inSaskatoon, if I believe, if I remember.

[00:08:51] Kaylee:[00:08:51] Yeah, yeah, yeah. We started, I started the company whenI moved from Montreal to Saskatoon. Um, when I had a one-year-old, um, myhusband and I [00:09:00] moved out there just for.

[00:09:01] Job opportunity. I used to be adental hygienist, so I figured, Hey, I'll get paid more in Saskatchewan. So Imoved to there and, um, within three weeks I made no friends. So I decided toopen a business and teach children to swim because I did that, um, in Montrealjust getting through school. And so I did that in Saskatoon and it started injust a small hotel pool.

[00:09:22] And then now we're across, um,Alberta and Saskatchewan and, uh, teaching in rented space like hotel pools.

[00:09:30] Jason:[00:09:30] Yeah, fair enough. So, uh, in terms of that water safetymessage, you guys are fantastic on social media. There's people listening orwatching should check you out on Instagram, should check you out on Facebookand so on and so forth.

[00:09:42] Um, what, uh, what messaging areyou sending out to your current clients in terms of key things to pay attentionto from a water safety perspective?

[00:09:51] Kaylee:[00:09:51] I think just being present with your children, that'ssomething that we're trying to focus on, um, because. When the [00:10:00]pandemic hit, I started an online swim program where we taught babies andparents in their bathtub, because why not?

[00:10:07] So we did that. Um, I figured ifI can give parents as much education as possible around water, then they'llbecome more accustomed to it when they actually get to large bodies of water,like the pool and the Lake. Um, so that, that was sort of my whole intentionaround that. And so that kicked off. You know, like revamping everything withinKane case on school, making sure that our parents are understanding, um,Understanding the importance of water safety, uh, and just like little thingslike how to observe proper breath control and like, what does it sound likewhen your child is swimming and they are confident swimming and what does itsound like when they're not confident?

[00:10:42] And then how can that createfear and trauma? Like those, those things are, are now heavily touched on, onsocial media, because I've seen the importance and how valuable social mediaactually is in getting certain messages out there. Um, so we actually don'ttalk a lot about. You know, prevention of drowning in the [00:11:00] water.

[00:11:00] What we talk a lot about is justhow to make the water become more of a safer space and more enjoyable so thatthe experience is more positive, um, and safe. And so that's, that's sort of,that's how we've shifted things, um, to make sure that people, uh, stayingengaged with how vital water safety actually is.

[00:11:22] Um, and I, like I said, I feellike it is working because parents are a lot more receptive. I mean, like Isaid, we, we, we have a waiting list at the door it's insane and it breaks myheart that we can't teach all of those kids, but it's also pretty incredible tosee how responsive parents are to the need of, of getting their child to learnhow to swim.

[00:11:43] Jason:[00:11:43] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like, don't be afraid to tootyour own horn. I mean, like, you guys have built a really good business atWest, right? So it's built in a way that's very convenient for people like. Um,you know, people to subscribe to and so on and so forth. I do think that, youknow, like [00:12:00] there are, you know, enough people that really dounderstand the value of swimming and learning, knowing to be safer on thewater.

[00:12:06] Right. But it's still, uh, whenwe close everything down and don't acknowledge that, you know, throughregulation, like we're not actually acknowledging the risks. So, um, when itcomes down to the summer, you know, like, As we saw last summer, we're going tosee a plethora of people putting in backyard pools, going to the Lake, going tothe cottage, all that stuff.

[00:12:27] And you know, like the accidentswere up, you know, we all saw the headlines and so on and so forth last year.And unfortunately there were too many that resulted in, you know, um, on, youknow, in, in death, um, which is unfortunate. Um, but. What are some things,you know, like you, as a parent, you're going to the Lake, you go to thecottage, like what are some things you're absolutely making sure that you'redoing while you're there.

[00:12:52] Kaylee:[00:12:52] Well, first of all, get in the water with your kids, feellike, but that's always been, my message is just play with your [00:13:00]children in the water. It's such a thing. You don't take that for grantedbecause that can easily be taken for granted. Pandemic or not. So that's thefirst thing is getting into the water with your children because only onceyou're in the water, can you actually experience what they can actually do inthe water?

[00:13:17] Um, you know, if you're notgoing to be in the water with your children, make sure that they have some sortof life jacket on, especially if you're on a boat. Put a life jacket on yourchild the entire time that you're on the boat, on the deck, same thing. I keepa life jacket because accidents happen and drowning a silent.

[00:13:34] So making sure that, um, thosethings are, are, are pretty well monitored, but I think my biggest thing isjust get in the water with your kids, because if parents can just see, um, Thejoy that is swimming and how joyful children are in the water. It's, it's sucha different experience from the parents' perspective to making sure thatthey're okay in the water.

[00:13:57] God forbid they're alone.

[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Jason: [00:14:00] Yeah, fair enough. Sorry. Ididn't mean to interrupt you.

[00:14:03] Kaylee:[00:14:03] I was going to say also like there's, there's certainlike backyard pools. That's a huge one. I mean, I live in Quebec, so we have alot of backyard pools here. Um, but truly they're popping up everywhere becauseeverything is closed.

[00:14:14] So backyard pools to me, um,they need to be fenced and gated with a lock. Um, and you know, if, if therecould be some sort of sensor on the back of that in the back door of the house,That would also be really great so that if ever the child leaves the house, itthrough the backyard door, you know, the parent is notified that type of thing.

[00:14:36] Um, because, you know,especially with also the retail market and the housing market is really huge.So parents are, are. Young families are purchasing older homes that havegrandfathered laws of, you know, back here in pools, not having fences. Andthen there's, there's no body like governing body to actually make sure thatthose children that are living in those homes or that are living near thosehomes are actually safe.

[00:15:00] [00:15:00] Um, and that there'sactual preventative measures to make sure that the pool is blocked off. So Idon't know, I feel like it more discussion on fences and locks and Gates aroundpools, uh, definitely needs to be, had to make sure that children are. Youknow, they're within a safe and respectful zone within the water.

[00:15:18] Jason:[00:15:18] 

[00:15:19] Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.And, um, uh, in, in a previous show, we talked about the expected regression ofkids when they've been out of the water for that long, and you kind of touchedon all that stuff there. So, um, and in terms of, you know, like talking toparents, it would be fair to say that what your kid could do a year ago, they mightnot be able to do now.

[00:15:38] Kaylee:[00:15:38] 

[00:15:39] Yeah, it probably won't be ableto do it now. It's like, imagine not being able to walk and be a little bitwobbly. What is it like see legs around.

[00:15:47] Jason:[00:15:47] Yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, moving the backyardlessons or backyard pools you guys have adapted again, and this is kind of likea common theme of you guys.

[00:15:57] Like you do a really good job ofkind of [00:16:00] finding sort of the next ways and so on and so forth. Then Iguess I'm making an assumption that you've adapted. Like, were you doingbackyard lessons before.

[00:16:07] Kaylee:[00:16:07] Uh, no, yes, done it. When I taught, especially when Iwas a teenager, I did back-end lessons all through my community in Montreal.

[00:16:15] When I went West, I figuredthere was so many less backyard pools at the time. I was like, eh, we don'treally need to focus too much on it, but we'll do a few here and there. We dida little bit, but it wasn't our main focus. And then once the pandemic hit andwe started to see so many people get holes in their backyard, in theirbackyards.

[00:16:33] Um, and then not know how toutilize them. I was like, okay, now we actually have to teach families how touse their pools appropriately. Uh, yeah. So we did adapt tobacco and lessonsbecause of the pandemic. Yeah.

[00:16:48] Jason:[00:16:48] Yeah. Fair enough. And is it hopefully a good stop gapto, you know, prevent as many accidents as possible, um, through the summer andwhatnot.

[00:16:56] So, um, in terms of, um,[00:17:00] You know, like future plans for you guys and the swim school andwhatnot. Um, you know, where, where, where does K and K go next?

[00:17:07] Kaylee:[00:17:07] I don't know. That's a good question.

[00:17:13] And like, I do know, I knowexactly where I want to be, but how I'm going to get there and how fast manonly time will tell. And only the pandemic will tell because that is thepandemic ultimately is, is the it's the make or break for obviously everything.But, um, I love the fact that we're able to teach in such remote areas, um, andthat we partner with such incredible hotels.

[00:17:37] So the venues that we partnerwith are very open to this change and everything that's been happening withthe, with the. The climate today. And so it's been really cool to have suchgreat personal relationships with them. And so I think that the most excitinganything for King K is that I would love to, uh, start teaching in more remoteareas to [00:18:00] get children that have very, very, very little access towater swimming, um, with confidence and parents actually being educated.

[00:18:09] That's something that is, isvery exciting and promising for the future, especially with everything thatwe're doing in the backend to make sure that the operations are just constantlysmoother and more efficient. Um, yeah, but that's, that's probably what themost exciting thing is for K and K.

[00:18:25] Jason:[00:18:25] Sounds good.

[00:18:26] So at this point I wouldnormally ask that we go take a tour of your facility and, and stuff like that.We're not going to do that here. Um, but, um, what I do want to talk to youabout and what I want to, you know, kind of feature from your school is that,you know, between you and Kareem, you and your husband, like you guys, like youhave a massive cohort of instructors.

[00:18:47] Right. Um, you built a fantasticteam. So talk to me about how you take that passion that you have for watersafety and, you know, like it's almost contagious, like, you know, cause likeour instructor, when we were with you guys, [00:19:00] like, you know, like itexudes the same thing. So how do you pass that on how do you build that cultureand, and why is it so important for you guys?

[00:19:08] Kaylee:[00:19:08] You know how we build it is we find the right people,honestly. I mean, when you think about it, water safety, it's, it's ano-brainer right, and so much so that people take it for granted. So once you,you find people that are passionate and just in general, they could bepassionate about anything. Once you explain the importance of water safety, andjust learning how to swim, um, from anybody's perspective, child or adults,that's when that passionate person really turns on.

[00:19:36] So it's, it's. It's it's lessabout like, how do we exude that and then transfer it. And it's more aboutfinding the right person. And then just turning, just turning the key, likehow, what is what's like the secret sauce and, and being able to. Feed that tothem so that they can exude it themselves. So I think that's how we built sucha great team is we've just [00:20:00] found pretty amazing people becauseamazing people are not that hard to find.

[00:20:03] You just kind of need to payattention and be mindful. And so we've actually done a pretty good job at it.And especially with social media right now, You know, you, you, you put outwhat you attract. And so everything that we put out, people that, that reallybelieve in what we are saying, because we believe it will just come.

[00:20:20] And that's exactly what they'vedone is they've kind of just joined forces and said, Hey, like, I totallybelieve the same thing. Teach me more about what your thoughts are. And we dothat. And then they do a pretty good job at, at a, at a reign that with all oftheir students,

[00:20:35] Jason:[00:20:35] Sure. I mean, I've met several of your staff before andthe idea is contagious.

[00:20:38] Right. So, um, so yeah, no,that's absolutely awesome. And, um, you know, to, to kind of wrap this up andkind of bring it to a close, um, w we've we've touched on this in various, um,minutes over the last, you know, 20 or so. Um, but just like if there's, youknow, a bullet point list of a few things you [00:21:00] can really hit home onand it's like, do this, don't do this.

[00:21:02] Be safe. What do you leavepeople with?

[00:21:08] Kaylee:[00:21:08] Wow 

[00:21:09] Jason:[00:21:09] sorry to put you on the spot there,

[00:21:12] Kaylee:[00:21:12] Jason. Um, because there's a lot of things that are goingon in the world. Swimming, swimming is, uh, I just, I want, I want people to gointo the summer months. It's starting to get warmer now. So I just, I wantpeople to go out there with.

[00:21:28] A positive outlook on the waterand not fear. You know, swimming does not have to be scary. Like I said, aslong as you just get into the water with your kids and you just experience itwith them, um, especially I feel like the pandemic has taught parents how to dothat a little bit more parents are a lot more hands-on now than we used to beeven five years ago.

[00:21:48] I know that the new generationof parents. The parents so differently than the way that I have, and my kidsare eight and five. So I'm not even that far off. So I don't know any advicethat I give is [00:22:00] mute to be honest, because the world is going to dowhatever they do. And I think that the world is on a much better path than whatI was on five years ago.

[00:22:08] Like I said, as a parent. So,um, Just experience more with your kids. And then when you're doing that, bemindful of what you're doing so that you can actually understand what'shappening within your surroundings. Um, and try not to let the pandemic get youdown because what will be will be, and you can't really do anything about it.

[00:22:25] Anyways,

[00:22:27] Jason:[00:22:27] that was a fantastic answer. That was not what I wasexpecting. Very holistic, you know, like very down to earth and, you know, likeyou use the word mindful several times. It was a very mindful answer. That wasreally good.

[00:22:39] Kaylee:[00:22:39] Kaylee. Yeah. I don't know. I go to a lot of therapy inthe best way, but I do.

[00:22:44] It's something that I,especially as a business in this climate things can be very difficult becausethere is no right answer for anything right now. Um, and the future it's, it's,it's not that it's not that the future is scary. I can see myself coming out of[00:23:00] it either way. Um, I just know that our team is very adaptable.

[00:23:04] Our students are extremelyadaptable. Children are very adaptable and malleable. My daughter might have avery tough time learning how to swim again. Once we get back into the water ina month from now at our community pool, which hopefully opens, um, She'll havea hard time, but she's gonna go, she's gonna make it.

[00:23:22] She'll be fine. As long as I canrecognize the fact that she's allowed to have a hard time because this pandemicaffected all of us. So I think that as a, as a human being and as an adult, um,I need to make sure that my children recognize that and they understand how to,you know, persevere incomes through all of this and in a brighter space.

[00:23:45] Jason:[00:23:45] Well, the intent of this was, you know, to talk aboutwater safety and get, you know, some tips from an expert. We got, you know,some definitely some life advice and, you know, almost like a road plan on howto come out of this, which is great [00:24:00] because it really all bleedstogether at the end of the day, whether it's, you know, pools being closed orschools being closed or our businesses being affected or restaurants beingclosed, you know, um, The old adage, you know, this shoot, this too shall pass,you know, we just have to get there.

[00:24:16] Right. So, yeah,

[00:24:18] Kaylee:[00:24:18] totally. Yeah. And you know, it's, it's, it's, it's all amindset. I don't know all the podcasts that I listened to. Everything is allabout the mindset that you have. Like it'll want it to be. And so, you know,like expanding K and K to online to give my staff purpose and reason in a timethat we were closed actually proved to teach.

[00:24:41] Thousands of children up untilnow, how to put their face in the water, into submerged in a bathtub. So like,honestly, anything is possible. We just have to kind of work together and kindof get there. But that's what my two cents, but that's what I've learnedthrough the pandemic. I don't know if it's drowning, preventative though, [00:25:00]is that

[00:25:01] Jason:[00:25:01] well, I mean, I think, you know, you mentioned somecommon themes that the last few episodes in terms, you know, the fact thatdrowning is silent, you need to be mindful, you know, and at the right time yougotta use a PFD.

[00:25:14] Um, but you know, at the end ofthe day, like I, like I said, I think it kinda all bleeds together, right? Likewe have, you know, you know, reason and, um, Like the silver lining to all ofthis. And like we do, we've done this drowning prevention series, but we alsorun a show called the non-tech show where we talk mostly with professionalcoaches and athletes and so on and so forth.

[00:25:38] And the one common theme fromeverybody through this pandemic is that they've become more aware. Theycommunicate better. They listen better and they know more about the people thatthey were previously interacting with because the pace has been forced down toa grinding halt. Right. You know, so instead of going [00:26:00] on a millionmiles an hour, we're going nice and slow.

[00:26:03] You know, coaches know morethings about their swimmers than they've ever known. Um, they know more abouttheir coaches, more about their programs, more about their cities. Like thatseems to be the silver lining. You know, like we've, we've got this opportunityto slow down in my case, learn how to barbecue better.

[00:26:19] Um, and uh, you know, it, youknow, like the things that you really want to do, you can, and you have thatopportunity now because in so many ways everything else is off the table.

[00:26:34] Kaylee:[00:26:34] Absolutely. Okay. Well, that's awesome. I can't sayanything to that.

[00:26:39] Jason:[00:26:39] I really appreciate your time and keep doing what you'redoing, because I mean like our girls are looking forward to getting back in thepool, um, with your instructors are here and when that happens, you know, likewe'll be ready, so

[00:26:50] Kaylee:[00:26:50] awesome.

[00:26:50] Well, we'll be ready to

[00:26:51] Jason:[00:26:51] have you sounds good. Thanks a lot for your time, Kelly.I really appreciate that. I'm going to let you get back to your day. Um, allthe best. Give my [00:27:00] best to Kareem and the rest of your staff as well.

[00:27:01] Kaylee:[00:27:01] Thank you so much, Jason. Have an awesome rest of yourweek.