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Olympian Anne Ottenbrite

Good morning folks, and welcome to the On-deck show, a show that looks at people and organizations that are working every day to make things better for folks like you and I, in their own way. This morning, we have the pleasure of speaking with Anne Ottenbrite from that infamous 1984 Olympic team in LA.

She was a triple. Olympic medalists, including one gold, one bronze, one, silver she's been inducted into every possible hall of fame. She's been awarded the order of Canada to say she has had an incredible career, would do it injustice today. She's the head coach of the Pickering swim club, and we're honored to have her here on the show this morning.

The text that follows is an unedited excerpt from our hour long conversation. The full video interview can be found on our youtube channel and by the link here. The full audio can be found by vis the Spotify link below

[00:00:40] Jason:[00:00:40] Good morning. And thank you for being here again. Thanksfor having us. Yeah. So I kind of want to, just to dive right into it in termsof, uh, you know, talking about, you know, your swimming history, because, youknow, being the age that I am and growing up, um, swimming, you know, like that1984 team, those, those Olympics, like [00:01:00] legends were born there andyou were.

[00:01:02] Um, and, um, I want to talk alittle bit about that. Talk about women in swimming. Talk about women on thatteam. Talk about your coaching career and kind of go from there. So, um, ifyou're right, let's just get into it. All right. So in, uh, You know, uh,starting the obvious place. I want to go back to the 84 Olympics.

1984 Olympic Games - Women's 200 Meter Breaststroke

[00:01:22] Um, same night as if, if I'm remembering correctly. Same night is when Alex won the 400 IM . and you were up shortly after that in the 200 breaststroke? Uh, you, you had just come back or you, or you had recovered from an injury. Um, first event up first, final up at the, at the games and, um, in a really inspiring swim, you know, like you won a gold medal.

[00:01:47] Um, what do you remember?

[00:01:52] Anne:[00:01:52] Well, you know, it's still incredibly clear. Um, the, themoment in time, I was talking [00:02:00] about the moment in time, when you,you, when, when that metal and you add everything together that you've beenworking  for a long time, uh, leadinginto 84, um, Well, there were obviously some issues that popped up.

[00:02:16] Uh, uh, my injury was one ofthem. Um, I dislocated my knee, uh, beginning of may. In 84. But prior to that,I was my biggest competitor at the time was who was an east German woman. Andwell, we had, we had some major competitions over the years have always sort ofone, two in the world. And, um, so fortunately I was looking forward to, youknow, Going to Olympics and winning my gold medal.

[00:02:53] That was the original plan and,uh, being up against and then when they [00:03:00] decided to pull out, um, Ibelieve it was around February that we found that out. Um, I guess my coach wasaware of a change in my training. So brought me into a, uh, Uh, I don't knowhow it came to be, but he discussed it with, from Canada and from Canada.

[00:03:22] Um, Brought me over to eastGermany. And I got to go through checkpoint Charlie, uh, into the east side.And that was quite the experience to swim against Judah at her home pool atEuropean championships. Um, and then being able to come. I after meeting her athome, I did come home and then refocused only just then to get money, dislocatemy knee.

[00:03:51] So all of that, uh, I meanbetween, um, probably March till July was, [00:04:00] I don't know if I'mswimming in my event.

[00:04:05] Jason:[00:04:05] Just to interrupt you there for a sec. So talk to meabout that. Um, because it really came down right to the wire because theswimming Canada, your coach, it set up a time trial prior to the games toactually qualify for the games. Is that right?

[00:04:19] Anne:[00:04:19] Yeah, well, they, they put me on the team, uh, with thehope that, uh, my knee, if it was, uh, close to 100%, I would be able to, uh,do the time that I had done prior to, uh, Olympic trials.

[00:04:35] Um, I, I didn't do anything ason for travel, but prior to Olympic trials, the time I did in may, before Idislocated my knee, um, was based off of that. It was based off of couldanybody beat the time that I did in may. So I didn't participate in an actualtime trial. The other swimmers.

[00:04:54] Jason:[00:04:54] Oh, understood. Okay.

[00:04:55] Okay. Um, anyways, so, but, butthat swim going in, I [00:05:00] mean, um, from an, uh, you know, in myresearch for this, I went back and just watched archive videos as much as Icould find so on and so forth. So the Japanese girl, and I can't recall hername at the moment. Like she was, uh, going into prelims, like she was expectedto be going in first, but ended up yeah.

[00:05:17] Uh, I think somebody got a sevenor 9, 8, 5 seconds off her best. And then you had this 15 year old Belgian girlwho kind of came out of nowhere. Um, and in the end it was a race betweenCanada and Japan. Um, and really at the end of it, just Canada, because, youknow, like it was, it was quite a race. So, um, talk to me a little bit about,you know, um, you, you mentioned your competition.

[00:05:40] That was okay. They decided toboycott. She wasn't there. You had the Japanese that was supposed to be uphere. Who was down in here. You had the Belgian girl who was, came out ofnowhere and was way up here. What was that like? Um, to sort of manage,navigate those emotions, going into that.

[00:05:56] Anne:[00:05:56] Well, yeah, there was a lot of emotions.

[00:05:59] First of [00:06:00] all, my heatswim, um, was an experiment for me pretty much. Um, getting up on the blocks.That was the first time I was able to do full, full width kick. Um, I didn'tknow really what kind of strength my leg would have through the whole, um, 200.Um, I always had a stronger backend, so it was always, um, that kind ofconfidence I had at the back end, uh, to rely on.

[00:06:30] I didn't know if I would havethat at this point. So everything was quite nerve wracking. The heat swim wasnerve-wracking. I didn't even, you know, the, the, my, my start. Even worsethan normal. It was not, I don't have a good reaction time to anything. So thatwas that. That was always my biggest worry, uh, what I was going to be doingoff of the block.

[00:06:55] Um, but of course I was in theready room while, [00:07:00] um, Alex. One is 400. I am the 400. I am what theTV was on in the writing room. Um, uh, and hearing your national Anthem. I, I,there was no, there was nothing that could pump me up more, obviously. Um, sogetting up and doing that race, uh, against Hiroko neck and Sakhi was the girlfrom Japan.

[00:07:26] We had swam together before. Um,and I was pretty confident that if I was able to do the race with the splitsthat I was able to do in the warmup, um, that I would. Uh, I could possibly winif I did it the way, but the adjustment had to come of not being able to do theworld record. I did realize that that was probably not within my area.

[00:07:56] Although I was at the one 50. Itwas still [00:08:00] nice, but yeah, legs.

[00:08:03] Jason:[00:08:03] Yeah. I mean, it's, it's still, it's, it's quite a storyto, um, you know, to go through the injury, recover show up and still be ableto perform at that level. I mean, at the end of the day, when you look at, youknow, what you were able to accomplish in that moment and how you were able tocontinue bettering yourself, like that's pretty remarkable.

[00:08:21] Um, One of the things like goingback and watching the archive videos. And, you know, I, I reached out to one ofyour former teammates, um, Tom Ponting, who, um, you know, is quite thehistorian on swimming. Um, anyways, just asking for some memories and stufflike that. And he shared some fond memories with about you and your friendshipwith Julia, Danielle, and so on and so forth.

1984 Olympic Games Swimming - Women's 100 Meter Breaststroke

[00:08:42] And. Anyway. So, um, he pointedme in the direction of a couple of archive videos to go look at it. And I haveto say that, although, uh, that 200 breaststroke was the race that it was, andit was your first gold medal. I was like, I had great, greater goosebumpswatching the a hundred breaststroke [00:09:00] simply because, I mean like youwere, I don't know if the camera angle was true, but it looked like you were,um, seventh or eighth going into the turn and you just like crushed everybody onthe second 50.

[00:09:13] Like, it was just, it was superawesome to watch. So what do you remember about that?

[00:09:19] Anne:[00:09:19] Well, that's funny. It's so funny that you bring that upbecause it was actually quite, um, uh, and I was standing swim for me becauseI'm just not as, I'm not a 100 breaststroker. So it was coming back from theback end was really exciting.

[00:09:37] I was in lane seven and TracyCaulkins was in lane eight. Tracy Cox. Sometimes said things caused a littlebit of motivation. So, um, the, the, my main motivation was to know. Uh, beattached, right Tracy, [00:10:00] and in the process I ended up, uh, in secondplace. I just had an incredible finish.

[00:10:07] Jason:[00:10:07] That's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, like watching the raceand I'm watching that go.

[00:10:11] I mean, like, it was just, um,it, it was. Interesting. And I want to, I want, and whether or not this is, youknow, like a secret move or not, you don't have to reveal if it was a tactic atthe time, but listen to the commentary because of the time you still have thetwo false start rule. Right. And you are the second false start.

[00:10:28] Um, and w one of the suggestionfrom the commentator was that that was a tactic to make sure that everybody hadto stay glued to the blocks going into that start. So was that intentional orwas that just a commentator making a leap again?

[00:10:44] Anne:[00:10:44] Well, it's an, it's actually a really, really good idea.And I wish I had thought of that.

[00:10:49] Yes. But

[00:10:54] I know they did. They did. Theysaid the same thing in the 200, because I, we kept fostering the [00:11:00]last thing. You know, back in the dark ages, those bathing suits were notflattering once you got them wet. So last thing we wanted to do, I can tell youthat

[00:11:15] they, they, they had someissues, uh, red suits, I don't know, but, um, anyway, we, we, I never was agood starter. I, my reaction time is just so delayed and, and, um, I think theprocess to get from my head to my feet just took a long time, so I never had agood start, but yeah, thankfully there were a false start.

[00:11:41] Uh, options there. So that, thatthere, I didn't get DQ

[00:11:46] Jason:[00:11:46] just for the record. You could have totally claimed thatas your tactic. Yes,

[00:11:51] Anne:[00:11:51] no, I would like to, I really would have when they weresaying it all the time, I was like, geez, that would've made me sound prettysmart, but no, [00:12:00] the bathing suits situation one.

[00:12:04] Jason:[00:12:04] Fair enough. Fair enough. So. You know, talking about theteam in general, like moving, um, more to, I guess like a macro view that, thattime, um, you know, talk to me a little bit about your memories of that 84 teamand specifically, you know, like the women on the team, because you know, thefour by one medley, um, was also a metal winner for you.

[00:12:26] Uh, you were also a metal winnerwith that team. Um, you know, what what's you remember? Um, Being a femaleleader on the team. And also, um, like just in general, the women on the teamwith you.

[00:12:39] Anne:[00:12:39] Well, um, we were really pretty close knit kind of group.I, I feel like, I felt like that team was, um, really very cohesive.

[00:12:49] Um, we had so many leadersthere. I mean that I wouldn't even classify myself as a leader of that team,that the whole team [00:13:00] was, um, we were so supportive of one anotherand everybody was so, um, Like, uh, I don't know if, if you know, coclassifying women and, and the men on the team, I felt like we were just onebig cohesive group and there we were, we were riddled with Lea.

[00:13:24] So it was not, there wasn't muchconflict because of that, I felt like everything was about elevation andelevating each other's performance. We had an opportunity to do something, tomake a statement, um, that Canadian swimming was competitive. And we were ableto, to, to prove ourself in that, in that arena at that time, because of ourreaders.

[00:13:51] Jason:[00:13:51] Well, that's a really interesting response. So digginginto that and unpacking that a little bit more. So what, what do you think wasthe groundswell for [00:14:00] that, um, cohesiveness and, you know, you, youtalked about, you know, having many leaders and many people kind of just, youknow, like being, you know, the torchbearer, so to speak, um, for the team,like, what was it that brought that team together?

[00:14:14] What gave it that cohesion?

[00:14:18] Anne:[00:14:18] I I'm not I'm, you know, I mean, as far as, uh, you know,my upbringing, uh, I was always coached for independence. So I feel that, um,if you look at Alex and Victor, I believe they were all coached forindependence as well. Not for dependents. I think we're really fortunate havingthat kind of coaching background.

[00:14:43] So, um, I, I. Attribute a lot ofit to that. And the fact that a lot of the athletes on that team came from thatsame sort of background. Um, but you know, that being said, I, you [00:15:00]know, worked with university programs. Um, yeah. Every once in a while you geta team that just comes together and everything works.

[00:15:13] And if you could bottle it,you'd be, you'd be a very, um, wealthy person. It's just not something you canactually, um, analyze to that level.

[00:15:27] Jason:[00:15:27] It's interesting. And you dropped into another nuggetthere that I was wanting to kind of unpack a little bit more. So when you talkabout coach for independence versus dependence, what did you mean by that?

[00:15:41] Anne:[00:15:41] Had you, uh, you know, 15. Kids in the entire club, weall swam together. We swam, um, as a con you know, I'd have ten-year-oldstrolling behind me, uh, that, that kind of [00:16:00] leadership and what theexpectation and elevation that I was put into elevate my, uh, teammates, Ithink is, uh, really important. I think that's part of a great grass root, um,foundation and a program, uh, as clubs get bigger, we kind of lose that kind offoundation.

[00:16:22] But, uh, fortunately a lot ofus, we all came from that same kind of concept, right. Smaller programs where,um, our impact then impacted the club for years to come after it created a, um,a whole. Uh, series of events. Uh, but on top of that, I was my, my coachPalmer Ronan was. You know, uh, on any of these national teams with me, um, wewould discuss how I would be swimming.

[00:16:56] I knew what I would need to bedoing when [00:17:00] I was on my own and, and getting myself from point a topoint B. Um, I didn't need my coach for my success. We have instilled thatthrough practice times and, you know, swirling, endlessly, like we do. Um,those were all instilled. At home with my coach and with the confidence that heknew I could stand up and do that.

[00:17:25] I'm sure that's the same in alot of the other summers experiences as well. There were a lot of small clubkids in on that.

[00:17:37] Jason:[00:17:37] Yeah. I mean, I guess that's probably a reflection ofCanada at that time in 84 or, I mean, I mean, you, you had, you know,university of Calgary, you had point Claire and like the, some bigger clubsthere, but, you know, um, you know, It really was a very much a communitydriven sport.

[00:17:54] And speaking with, uh, you know,here left one 10, a few weeks ago, um, he [00:18:00] referred back to that as,you know, potential strength for, you know, swimming in the future in terms of,you know, like really embracing the club program and making sure that, youknow, like, we're kind of, like you're saying, you're creating these legacyeffects from these influential swimmers or people that go through the club andthen come back to inspire everybody else.

[00:18:17] And it creates, you know, Almosta vacuum in a positive sense. Right. So, yeah. Um, so a two-part question here.So, um, and I'll, I'll, I'll lay them both out, but I'll lay them outindividually as we come back to them as well. So talk to me about like what thesport is swimming meant to you, and then as a follow-up, um, You know, withyour career, you, you accomplished a lot in a short period of time on theinternational scene.

[00:18:46] And I'm curious if you ever gavethought to, um, potentially competing at ADA games.

[00:18:54] Anne:[00:18:54] Um, okay. So first question, what women meant to me was,uh, I mean, [00:19:00] obviously it was, uh, uh, Well, I, I, I started watchinga 76 Olympics and I watched Natty and Komen each. And when I saw Nadia, Idecided this was something that I wanted to do to go to Olympics and shoot fora gold medal.

[00:19:21] So obviously, I was not goingto,

[00:19:28] um, uh, I had to then findsomething that suited me. I, I did a lot of different things and ended up backin the water, which was a young love of mine in the backyard pool, learning howto swim at three, you could hardly ever get me out of the pool. So as soon as Ijumped into the pool, um, It all happened very quickly for me.

[00:19:55] So getting in, um, as a 12 yearold having to [00:20:00] sort of reorganize, uh, uh, my plan of how I was goingto get from point a to point B, I created a five-year plan and I. Started withthe Canada games made that Canada games team within that first year of swimmingwith, uh, an actual competitive club. And, uh, after that, those Canada games,that just sort of went really fast for me, obviously, um, carrying on from thatexperience.

[00:20:32] Um, and it sort of, um,solidified the idea that going to Olympics and winning a gold medal. It wassomething that I could do. So, um, I love swimming. Obviously I'm still on thedeck. It still has to pull us back in. We try to leave. We come back and, youknow, I've been coaching for a very long time. Um, as far as the 88, it was[00:21:00] sort of a weird, um, you know, we go through a lot of transitions.

[00:21:06] I was at school at a USCfollowing, uh, my 84 swim. I swam two years, uh, at USC and then I came homeand finished schooling at Wilfrid Laurier university. It was just not eversomething that entered my mind anymore. And I, I sort of attribute a lot of itinto the fact that we were amateurs, you know, so we didn't have any sort offinancial.

[00:21:41] Uh, options. We, you know,you're, you're carded, but you couldn't have sponsorship. He couldn't, youknow, to me, it was about getting schooling. And then moving on to that nextlevel, it had never been about this is going to, could possibly be a lifestyleoption for me. And [00:22:00] so I, my goal was to win that gold medal.

[00:22:04] Once I did that, then it was, Iwas, I was. That not to say that I couldn't have, you know, refocused had, I,um, maybe thought about it a little bit more, but at that time it just, I, itwas just a move on.

[00:22:22] Jason:[00:22:22] That's interesting. And just going back to something youmentioned in the first response to the first, this question, you talked aboutyou taking the initiative to create a five-year plan, which ultimatelycrescendo to the Olympics.

[00:22:34] And it did. So, I mean, one,that's pretty rare to actually create a plan that, you know, like you follow.Part, I don't think you planned the injury, but, uh, but like you, you, youplan it out, you lay it out and it actually comes to fruition. Like that'srare, right? Like actually happens on the first try like that.

[00:22:55] So, um, you know, having thatkind of vision [00:23:00] and being able to say, you know, this is what I want,I'm going to go achieve it. Um, how much of that behavior is kind of likerepeated itself? After swimming, like you went to school and then you jumpedinto coaching and all that stuff there. But I mean, how much of that is carriedon or how much, how many times has that repeated itself, I guess in your life?

[00:23:18] Anne:[00:23:18] Well, and that's funny that you should say that becauseI, you know, I, I really focus a lot on pattern behavior. And as a coach, Ithink it's really important to recognize pattern behavior in your athletes or.In anything right. In any day to day, um, recognitions is keeps everybodyself-aware and makes you accountable and aware of what's happening in my plan.

[00:23:47] I did that on my own and, and,um, you know, my coach and I would do a seasonal plan, but I always had sort ofa, uh, And I laugh [00:24:00] about it now, because at the time we did not haveany access to internet. We were lucky to have a color TV. Um, but, uh, we wouldwait for the sperm magazine, uh, and there was always an insert that would comein there that would show, uh, international, um, rankings.

[00:24:25] And the swim magazine, uh, Nicktheory always had the rankings, right? The rankings were very important. Um,uh, a very big motivator. I think it was awesome for people to see that andpeople can go on and, and access that information now quite easily. Um, at thattime it was difficult for me to sort of guesstimate.

[00:24:49] What would. It is time be nextyear at world championships or, uh, you know, what would my time, what can Iexpect I need to be at, [00:25:00] um, camo games and that kind of thing. So wewouldn't have access to that though. The final results of swim meets you, wouldn'tbe able to just pull that up and find out what would.

[00:25:18] In and around the time would youneed to be. So it was an interesting task for somebody as young as I was that Iwas that interested in it. Um, you know, if I w I wish I had been thatinterested in doing schoolwork as I was accessing as one times. Um, but, uh,you know, I think it, as part of that process of breaking down, um, I wentbackwards.

[00:25:47] I went from five years out andwent, and then. To present day. So, uh, it was an interesting way of doing it.Uh, I liked my athletes to do that now when we do [00:26:00] it. Uh, but at thetime I did not, my 84 plan really did not follow. I had to learn how to becomea good, um, arms zone. Breaststroke. I never did restaurant poll on a regularbasis.

[00:26:16] So knowing my times in practicedoing, um, breaststroke, Paul was selfish. It meant nothing to me. It was avery frustrating time doing that training camp. And I was fortunate to havesome amazing lane buddies that helped me through.

[00:26:37] Jason:[00:26:37] Yeah, absolutely. Um, and I, I just want to point out, Imean, like being able to take, have the perspective to look at a plan and beable to plan it retrospectively, you know, like where's my goal.

[00:26:48] And at that age, so, I mean,you're, you're I guess, 18 at the 84 Olympics. So you're talking about doingthis when you're 13 years old, if you're talking about a five-year plan, right?So [00:27:00] the self-awareness. I have a 13 year old and this, the sophomore andhis piece seems to be a very common trait in a lot of people that we speak to,um, in terms of, you know, what led them to, you know, memorable or successfulmoments in their life.

[00:27:14] And it always, it often, I won'tsay it always, it often comes down to the ability to be self-aware andrecognize and have a moment of clarity. This is what I want, and this is how Iwant to do it. And so on. And so. So that bridges us to, you know, like where Iwant to go to next, which is kind of into your coaching.

[00:27:33] Cause you said you have beencoaching for quite some time. Tell me a little bit about where you started, whyyou got into coaching. And then I want to talk a little bit more about yourphilosophy.

[00:27:43] Anne:[00:27:43] Okay. Well, I started, when I went to a Wilfrid Laurieruniversity, I started a coaching, just, uh, like a novice level while I wasgoing to school to make some money, to put myself through school.

[00:27:58] And then, um, at the [00:28:00]end I took over the, uh, Wilfrid Laurier university team and that sort ofcatapulted me into. University of Guam and, and, uh, and then numerous places.Obviously I went to the states, I coached at a university of Wisconsin inO'Claire and, um, then came back home and I've been with Pickering ever since.

[00:28:25] So it's been a, it's been like a30 years. I've been coaching, uh, about maybe more.

[00:28:38] Jason:[00:28:38] Fair enough. And, um, so you you're the longest stewardship is with, has been with Pickering and Pickering has been how long

[00:28:46] Anne:[00:28:46] they have been there. Okay. Uh, I have to go by the agesof my children to figure those things out. Okay. Uh, 20 years, 20 or 19 years[00:29:00] with pictures. Wow.

[00:29:02] Jason:[00:29:02] I'm sure you've seen a lot. And, um, you know, likethere's been a lot, that's happened there as well.

[00:29:07] So, um, in terms of thephilosophy of the Pickering swim club, I'm sure that largely represents yourphilosophy. So what is that? How does, what is the Pickerings from clubs?

[00:29:23] Anne:[00:29:23] Um, I believe in the sense of community. So, uh, youknow, we have numerous levels of, of athletes and I believe the best experiencefor everybody is to understand a sense of community.

[00:29:39] That's been hard during COVIDobviously. Um, and how we've tried to do that. I think we've done a nice, apretty good job. Uh, but yeah. Getting back and being able to experiencevolunteerism and an ending, including everybody into everything that we[00:30:00] do, we run a lot of swim meets. So. Um, it's really important for usto have a volunteer base club.

[00:30:09] Um, and in that I believe you,you created a great sense of community. I personally believe that athletesshould be self-aware and come through a program, um, and independently be ableto maintain their own motivation. Um, and that being said because of their. Asense of ownership for their success. So I don't want to, I don't believe increating an environment where, uh, the coaches have to create, um, a motivatingenvironment for the athletes.

[00:30:47] I believe we create a motivatedgroup together. We Excel together. We elevate together.

[00:30:56] Jason:[00:30:56] Okay. So I want to unpack that a little bit. So like,these are very [00:31:00] high level statements. So in terms of how do weactually do that? So how do you elevate together? Cause you, you know, foranybody that's been involved in swimming, um, like you have a club and youmight have, um, you can have quite a variety.

[00:31:13] You might have a six year oldthat's coming in that doesn't know how to swim a six year old. That's a greatswimmer. You might have a 15 year old on national team, a 15 year old that justwants to get fit for life saver. So, how do you bring that all those peopletogether in a cohesive way?

[00:31:30] Anne:[00:31:30] Okay. So, uh, I believe in creating intrinsic motivators,uh, at a young age.

[00:31:37] So as they come in and we beginof a developmental, uh, program approach, um, we w we do have a learn to swim,but, uh, that's separate from our programming, um, including in this, um, uh,once they come in, I believe it's really important to, uh, teach them how to.Uh, [00:32:00] motivate themselves through achieving goals and goal sets andthings like that.

[00:32:05] And, um, elevating themselves tounderstand why they are here. And what is there a long-term plan? Because w youknow, you can create, uh, uh, Uh, an extrinsically motivated athletes veryeasily. They can be extrinsically motivated by getting, you know, or I want toget the, um, swimmer of the week award. And I want to, you know, but as atwelve-year-old, as younger than 12 and moving into 12th, they start thereneeds to be a shift and that shift needs to create a, um, An athlete that isintrinsically motivated.

[00:32:46] You know, I, I don't want toever see parents carrying their swim bags. I don't want the parents packingtheir swim bags. I don't want, um, kids to have their, their goal, their time.[00:33:00] Um, or their events or anything like that written up on their hands.They should know what their goal time is. They should know what they want toachieve, um, because if they just read it off of their hand and they're aboutto dive in and do a 50 free and it's event, number three and.

[00:33:18] And they dive in and have tolook at their hand to, it's just not a, that's not a prepare. Right. So they'renot aware they are diving in and, and, and the other, uh, the other belief inthat I believe so much more in, in the kid's ability to remember those threeevents in one session, I believe they can all remember those three minutes.

[00:33:45] I believe they can. Yeah.Parents need to take that same approach and believe they can as well. Um, andso we go through that from beginning to where do people branch off? Um, The [00:34:00]best group for them is the one that they are elevating themselves in. Soeverybody can move through out the club, um, as they achieve those differentlevels and those different levels of commitment and intrinsic motivators asthey achieve those, they move on through, through the programming.

[00:34:20] So every group is actuallysuited for those athletes. Some people would disagree with that. But they areright. Like, you know, the, my goal is to keep them in the water as, as, aslong as we can and keep them happy and motivated as long as they can maintainthat for themselves. And then. You know, if they can see themselves moving onto the higher level, uh, and elevating themselves to that, they have thatopportunity.

[00:34:55] Jason:[00:34:55] Yeah. I mean, one of the things that, uh, I guess, youknow, shifting away from [00:35:00] this for a moment and, um, one of thethings. You know, like I've been immersing myself quite a bit in, in terms of,you know, what do we do with our business and, you know, like how are weadapting and stuff like that. And this is, this last year has been like, it'sbeen a real opportunity for self growth.

[00:35:15] If you look at it the right way.Um, and I've been fortunate enough to be out, to have the ability to do that,to step back and say, okay, well, what do we actually want to do? Why do weexist? And you know, how do we really define these things and whatnot? And.Recently, you know, one of the areas where I've really been, um, uh, paying alot attention to is, is my, my habit of remaining in an infinite mindset versusdropping into a finite mindset.

[00:35:45] So finite mindset, a mindsetwith, with rules and limitations, and this is what I have to do. And this isthe structure versus an infinite mindset. Um, we're looking at well, what isthe ultimate goal and how do I work to be better at achieving that [00:36:00]every single day? You know, how do I get a little bit better and move a littlebit closer to that every day.

[00:36:04] So would that be a good summaryof what you're talking about?

[00:36:08] Anne:[00:36:08] Yes, I believe it's really important to have three thingsthat you can do better in a day. Like if, if I'm dealing with my athletes,that's how we want to approach it. This, this past year has been verydifficult. When it comes to rules and regulations, right?

[00:36:26] Like there's so many things thatwe have to be able to follow and make sure that we're following all of those,those things. So a little bit of creativity is obviously lost in that process,but I think, um, you know, uh, having athletes and, or. Anybody in any aspectof their life, be able to say C3 things that they could do better.

[00:36:50] Um, and whether it's, uh, youknow, can I, can I focus on my attendance? Can I focus on once I'm [00:37:00]here at, at that practice, then that was the goal achieved. What am I now goingto? What are those three things? You know, am I always the last person in thepool today? I'm not going to be last person pool. I'm going to make sure Idon't miss any of the warmup, things like that.

[00:37:15] Like they, they are allachievable options, right. But in each process you are making yourself betterand you're becoming a little bit more aware of your patterns, right? So if you,you, you, you get triggered by some sort of, um, experience and it causes youto pull back and be cautious. Um, Or you're working a certain energy system andyou find that you can't push through that energy system and work a certain waythen how are you going to deal with making that step?

[00:37:49] Something that you can improveyourself on. Right. So, okay. I'm not going to be able to say and make thatpace. So now I'm going to focus on my turns and my underwater work, [00:38:00]something like that, right? Like what do we need to do? But the more athletesbecome aware and, and where are their weaknesses, then you can make those stepsto make them.

[00:38:13] Jason:[00:38:13] Yeah, fair enough. And definitely, um, a lot ofrepeatable, um, or several things that you've come back to is they, theyclearly, you know, they seem to be core values, you know, repeatable behaviors,constant improvement, planning. Um, so with that said, I'm curious, um, as, asa head coach, do you have goals for the swim club and what might they be if youdo?

[00:38:38] Anne:[00:38:38] Um, well, I, I, I. Yes. I always have plans for what wewant to see are honestly, um, elevate themselves to, um, and I always want tohave a financial support within the program, um, to do that. Um, and we always wantto repay, [00:39:00] um, excellence, whether it's coming in as, as a, even avolunteer within our, our.

[00:39:07] Officiating options. You know,we want to try to always be feeding that success with, um, recognition. Um, butthat being said this year has been a little very trying and, you know, we'vehad to really step back on just goals of what is it going to take to be able tobe in the water. And, you know, um, I don't know that this season is going to,we're going to be able to get back in the water at all this season.

[00:39:40] So. That being said, then whatthen the next thing is, okay, can we start doing summer camps? What can we do?I know that we're going to be looking at a big hole because we have not beenable to do any of our learners. So that is going to show up in about threeyears. That hole is going to [00:40:00] show up. So we're going to have to whatI'm right now, I'm planning on how are we going to deal with that potential or,and how do we try to fill it out before it becomes an issue?

[00:40:11] Things like that. I mean, we'rejust always, you just always have to be kind of thinking about the future. Youknow, we don't, we don't think one year at a time, we're always thinking threeto four years.

[00:40:25] Jason:[00:40:25] Clearly a habit from the time you were 13 years old. Soyeah, well, no, that's, that's fantastic. I mean, like you've shared a ton ofinformation, so I mean, um, I think this is a pretty good place to wrap thisup, but before we do, I wondering for the people that are listening, whetherit's old teammates or swimmers or coaches or whatever the case is, do you haveany final words that you'd like to leave with everybody?

[00:40:49] And you know, like you've talkedabout. The experience with COVID and dealing with the trying ups and downs overthe last, you know, 15, 16 months, um, [00:41:00] and you know, plans to moveforward and stuff like that. But, uh, all that to say, do you have any finalwords you'd like to leave with everybody?

[00:41:09] Anne:[00:41:09] Probably. Um, in 84, for example, is a great example ofsome amazing team, um, camaraderie and team support and everything thathappened through that, that, uh, training camp. Okay. Uh, those training camps.I always feel like they were so much longer than they actually were. Right.Like, you know, not in a bad way either.

[00:41:33] Like it's, it's not like, oh myGod, it was such a long training camp and so much hard work. It was the, thelead in of, of that experience was incredible. And the comradery and theelevation that everybody had at that time, I was like I said, I had a lanebuddy, um, And he was a breaststroker and [00:42:00] he, uh, elevated methrough that trying time.

[00:42:04] It was really hard, likeswimming through an injury is a very difficult thing. Um, a lot of athleteshave to deal with that kind of thing on a regular basis. I was fortunate that Ionly experienced that one time of, uh, Like a career ending kind of, uh,situation. Um, and in that end of end product in 84, we, the Canadian swim teamhad this amazing tradition of throwing Frisbees into the stands.

[00:42:39] When you win a medal. I was notgood at that. I seek, I knocked someone unconscious and,

[00:42:51] um, but cause those, those wereincredible stands in 84. There were, those stands went up really, really highand the [00:43:00] Frisbee went up really, really high. And then. Uh, piledriving somebody right in the back of the head. I came back down pretty fast.Um, anyways, uh, there's this moment where you go into, um, back into the readyroom, get your clothes back on and meet with the press and whatever.

[00:43:22] So I had to go into this roomand I'm thinking who is going to be, who have they seen. To give me myFriskies, who is going to be the person in there, because at this point I stillhaven't like gone crazy. You know, I wanted to scream and shake somebody and bereally excited. And I hadn't seen anybody yet.

[00:43:42] And so I'm going to try not tocry cause this happening. They're a tiny toaster I did in there. And I'mthinking, is it going to be Julia? It's probably going to be Julia. Is it goingto be one of the coaches? I don't know. It's going to be somebody and turnsaround. And it's Marco [00:44:00] and, and he had a tear in his eye.

[00:44:05] And at that point I realized wewere all in this together. Everybody brought me to that moment. Sorry.

[00:44:14] Jason:[00:44:14] No, that's fine.

[00:44:18] Anne:[00:44:18] That is, to me, the most important thing that being partof a team is is that everybody has. A task and everybody, everybody bringseverybody to that one.

[00:44:31] Jason:[00:44:31] That's fantastic. That's a great piece of wisdom to leavethis on. And I'm sure it sounds like you've built a fantastic community inPickering. Um, very, very fortunate to have you there and, and, and impart thatknowledge and wisdom because at the end of the day, you know, uh, Much likewhat you've talked about, you know, a common theme is that, you know, like thisis a journey.

[00:44:53] It's not like, you know, um,we're, we're looking to punch a ticket to, you know, a destination that's anhour away is like, this [00:45:00] is, this is a lifetime worth of work andexperience. That's all, um, lead summer, as you know, an example of, of yourstory. You know, you, when you were 12 years old, you started swimming.

[00:45:12] Into swimming. And, you know,after a 30 year coaching career, you're still involved in swimming. It reallyis a journey. Um, and you know, I hope that, you know, those that are underyour tutelage, you know, get the, um, you know, the fantastic experience toexperience the same thing or similar, a similar experience.

[00:45:33] Anne:[00:45:33] Yes, I hope so too

[00:45:36] Jason:[00:45:36] well. And I really I'm honored that you agreed to do thisand a chose to spend some time with us this morning. I really appreciate it.And, uh, can't wait to get this episode out and I really thank you for yourtime this morning.

[00:45:49] Anne:[00:45:49] Thank you. I enjoyed it very much

[00:45:52] Jason:[00:45:52] and good luck to Pickering and everybody at thePickering, some club

[00:45:56] Anne:[00:45:56] and stay safe, everybody.

[00:45:58] Jason:[00:45:58] Thanks. [00:46:00] Thanks for tuning in. If you like thecontent that we've been creating, make sure you check it out here.



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